CC 017: The Entrepreneur’s Paradise – Harmonic Farms with Joe Reece

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Cured Collective Podcast With Joe Reece

Joe Reece is the founder and CEO of Harmonic Farms, where their overarching goal is to achieve balance. They seek to create a community that reconnects us to nature, that brings food and product production back to the local level, a place to inspire creation and elevation, and a healthy mind, body, and soul.

Joe and his team embrace Costa Rica’s national optimism in the face of global challenge, by advancing sustainability and having a net-positive ecological impact. Harmonic Farms is for those who seek a new model to live better in every way.

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Full Transcript

Joe: [00:20] Alright, everybody. Welcome back to the Cured Collective podcast. I’m sitting here with a new-found friend of mine, Joe, or Joseph Reece. Shares a great name. We met about a month ago in Miami and, through a mutual friend, spent a day together and hit it off. Joe started sharing a lot about what he’s doing in Costa Rica… and we’ll dive into that in-depth in this podcast. It was extremely interesting to me and I instantly knew that there was a connection and alignment. And through this podcast, we like to bring people on that have… kind of similar mindsets and missions; and of course, Cured is a product company, but that doesn’t mean we don’t align with basically any company that’s trying to raise global consciousness. That was something you kind of dove into our pre-podcast and the time we spent together there in Miami. So, thanks Joe for joining me. I’m super stoked to have you here from Costa Rica!

Reece: [01:27] Yeah, thanks Joseph. This is really an honor and I really appreciate having this conversation with you. I’m excited.

Joe: [01:34] Yeah. The first thing that you said before we got on the podcast was, “you need to get down here,” so I’m going to make that happen soon. It’s been a while since I’ve been to Costa Rica, but what I have experienced in Costa Rica is… absolute beauty and bliss… and the words, or the saying – pura vida – is something that people say all the time there. And when you first go there, it’s like… it’s like people use that to say hi; people use that to say bye; people use that to say a lot of different things. What does that mean? What’s the actual definition of ‘pura vida’?

Reece: [02:13] You know, pura vida – pure life – it’s kind of like the aloha, the mahalo in Hawaii; but it has a lot of meanings. The more you’re down here and the more you get to know the people and the culture here, you actually learn more about what it actually means. It takes time to keep setting in and gets deeper and deeper. But yeah, it’s just a beautiful saying, and it really embodies the people here, and it’s amazing.

Joe: [02:46] It absolutely is; and we’re going to dive deep into Costa Rica and everything that you’ve got going on there at Harmonic Farms, but to start I wanted to go through a little bit of your background. You’ve been in real estate and finance for quite some time, and this has obviously driven you to a massive project, and multiple projects in Costa Rica. Before this time and everything that you’ve been doing outside of the U.S., what were you doing in the U.S. and what’s kind of your background in this business world as an entrepreneur?

Reece: [03:24] I started in the early 2000s just coming out of college – I went to the University of Minnesota. I got into the real estate-finance world and quickly moved into land development. I was working with a developer in southwest Florida that was doing gated ocean-access projects. Learned his business plan – he was a great mentor – and I pretty quickly went off and started doing it myself. I did a project in the north end of the Catalina Mountain range in Tucson, Arizona, and that was really my first land deal where we went in and took over a project that was in the approval process, and was able to sell that to another developer for a healthy windfall, that being in my mid-20s, it was my biggest land deal – my FIRST land deal – and it worked out really well; so I kind of got hooked on land. So that’s what I’ve been doing ever since about 2001, actually. I’ve been doing land stuff.

Joe: [04:40] Yeah. Did you see yourself going in that direction coming out of college?

Reece: [04:45] Actually, before I even went to college, I was… going back to the roots of where this all came from – Harmonic Farms – the project. My mother grew up in Hawaii, and I grew up in Minnesota, the Midwest… and I always heard stories about the tropics and how she’d go to school with no shoes on and this kind of like, in my mind, was just this magical place, living in this [inaudible – garden ??] on the ocean. So, I kind of had that implanted in me early, so I was interested in land and kind of that idea of that lifestyle from very early on; so after college, I kind of went down the path of finding a mentor, finding people that were involved in land, and then it was a long… the process was very natural and organic to get to where we are now.

Joe: [05:46] Can you… this is kind of an aside – but can you talk about that process of find a mentor? Because I think that that is a… that’s something that a lot of entrepreneurs seek, is I want to find that person that is doing what I want to do or has already accomplished what I want to do. And sometimes it’s difficult to find that person, and when you DO find that person, approaching that person… how do you bring them value as they bring you value. I think that’s an interesting topic to dive into. Did that kind of fall into your lap? Or how did you seek that out?

Reece: [06:30] I feel like I’ve just kind of been, in general, curious and like to learn, and I guess when I found mentors – and I really have found mentors throughout my life just because I think that people in general are interested in showing people what they’ve done. And I guess, trying to become a good listener; I’ve focused on being a listener early on, and then, I think that’s the best – for me, it’s been the way I found people, and yeah, that’s it.

Joe: [07:05] It’s powerful. I think that we tend to overcomplicate things and you really simplified theirs. Find people, seek them out, and listen rather than talk, and that’s – it’s a saying that I hear and bring up quite a bit in my own life – is just the reminder that we have two ears and one mouth, so listen more and talk less and we can probably get a lot further in life!

Reece: [07:30] Yes, for sure. I mean, I find myself… it’s hard to find people that truly, really, I guess, want to learn what you know. At this point in my life I feel like I can look around and I’ve done the number of things and where we are with the project and things like that. Once you get to a point in your career, in your in your life where you’ve accomplish things, and then, if you have some younger person that has the… you see has the ability to really understand what you’re talking about and has true intention to better themselves; I mean, why wouldn’t you want to help them?

Joe: [08:10] Right, right. It can fill you up a lot! It’s like, passing of the wand, or passing of the torch.

Reece: [08:19] For sure.

Joe: [08:20] Yeah, it’s a beautiful thing. So, you found some success pretty quickly there in your real estate ventures in the U.S. I was looking… doing my research before the podcast – when did you first go to Costa Rica and start doing real estate internationally?

Reece: [08:42] 2004 is when I first came to Costa Rica. I was… I had sold the property in Arizona. I had a friend in Minneapolis, older, another mentor type of person who had bought a fair amount of real estate, apartment buildings and things, in the early 90s. This was like 2004… was really ramping up this, you know, our first real estate bubble that a number of us went through. So, he was fortunate and smart enough to be selling all of his property as the market was increasing. He had actually wanted to get into land development. He had known that I was already involved in land development, and so he invited me to come to Costa Rica with him and his girlfriend to an international land development seminar. When people offer things like that, I say yes, basically immediately without even checking my calendar. I definitely… that’s another attribute to the success that I’ve had, is that, take the opportunities. Take the opportunities immediately. Don’t think about it, just do it. Kind of the Nike thing. It’s cheesy, but it is true.

Joe: [10:00] It’s true.

Reece: [10:01] So I went to Costa Rica with the intention of going to this international seminar, learn about international real estate. I went a week before the seminar and just started calling on signs, driving around, connecting with agents that had properties listed; and then I went to this seminar, and I just fell in love with Costa Rica. It was just… I had lived in Hawaii for a couple of years prior to that, had a house on the big island, Kona. I really wanted to develop out there, but the real estate was just astronomical, and especially coming from where I came, just being on my own, being an entrepreneur with a credit card, and basically starting from scratch, going to Hawaii and trying to develop was just – the land was too expensive. So, I went to Costa Rica and never really left. That was back in 2004 that I first went there, fell in love with the people, and it’s just… the value proposition of the lifestyle, the pura vida way of people here, proximity to the ocean, basically living in a garden, which is amazing.

Joe: [11:13] So what was the first development project there?

Reese: [11:17] So, down on the southern Pacific coast… I’ve spent most of my time and bought most of my properties on the Pacific coast, or very close to the coast with ocean view. I bought a 250 acre cattle ranch up in the mountains that overlooked the Pacific, just south of Playa Dominical, which is an amazing part of Costa Rica – Uvita, Playa Dominical. So I bought that and started… it was actually before I purchased that property, I spent a year hiking up and down the mountains, riding 4-wheelers, walking, riding horses, just basically checking out this whole region and all the property that was available, or most of it that I could find for sale. That was an amazing experience as well, just getting to know all the land; and so, we closed on that property in…at the end of 2005, maybe beginning of 2006. Started doing the architectural drawings and getting the lay of the land, figuring out what the plan was; and then that took about a year. We put in some infrastructure, and then the market completely crashed, which was end of 2006. So, we basically just stopped the project. We had paid cash for everything so there was no debt, so we had freedom to really do what we wanted; so we just converted it back to a cattle ranch and it’s there now. I go up there and it’s just a beautiful property, but it’s further out than I want, than I would develop now. It’s something… because of the trajectory of what was going on back then, people were buying property way off, hoping that the development would get to them – which I was one of them – and since the recession, we have recovered down here, but I’ve learned that it’s better to be more centralized, have a little better access, not try to push the rock up the hill too much.

Joe: [13:37] Yeah. Let’s dive into your current project. I briefly touched on the name, Harmonic Farms. What do you have going on there? I know that we originally talked about… the community and what it is as a permaculture environment, but there’s Harmonic Farms, harmonic farming. There’s a lot that goes into that and what you’re creating, so I want to start diving into that.

Reece: [14:06] Oh, great! So Harmonic Farms – this all started with the harmonic farming. Basically what harmonic farming is it’s a best practices of permaculture, biodynamic, regenerative farming, wildcrafting; we’re taking all the best practices and principles of those and it all falls under the harmonic farming concept or definition. It’s a blend of all those things. Everything we’re doing in the project, including the development plans, the master plans, building… the community that we’re building – it’s all collaboration. That’s exactly what harmonic farming is: it’s a collaboration of all these different practices under one umbrella.

Joe: [14:58] Yeah, and that’s… I think that that’s a… it’s an important topic and subject that needs… that spreads much further than just what you’re doing there in Costa Rica. You talked about it when we first met, is what you’re doing is you’re on a mission to… more or less create and raise a global consciousness, and that’s… there’s a lot that goes into it, but it can start in one central area and spread outwards, and I think that the people that you’re bringing in from all around the world are a very important asset to that. Who are these people that you’re collaborating with? Because I think it’s really important; I think it’s amazing to see who those types of people are and what they’ve experienced in their life prior to this project that is now leading them to this and showing kind of this journey of success that you discussed; and then, not changing a mission, but… creating and elevating more of a mission that’s going to create a massive impact, but it’s going to start locally there. So who are all these people that you’re bringing together?

Reece: [16:18] Yes, I guess… do you want me to name the people, I guess?

Joe: [16:25] You can if you want to, but I think just the type of humans, and the collaborative kind of mindset that you have going into it. I think it’s very unique, and I think that’s probably a massive driving force behind what’s being created.

Reece: [16:43] Yes, for sure. So, Harmonic Farms is the location that we’re doing the harmonic farming. Basically what I did was, over New Years, I went to an amazing retreat in the mountains in Costa Rica, and there was a handful of people that were CEOs, founders, artists… just people that have really achieved amazing things in their life. We all kind of came together for this retreat. The one thing that I took out of it, the biggest thing I took out of it was this, kind of flipped the idea of how is harmonic farming serving these people? Like how can Harmonic Farms serve individual, each of these amazing people that were… so, from that, the project and the people involved really blossomed. We have people that are tech entrepreneurs, founders, that have recently sold… it’s just a community of amazing people that all see… I’ll see how Harmonic Farms can serve them and also how they can serve it in this common goal, like you said, to raise consciousness of the globe, incubate their next company, be surrounded by like minded people; so that’s really what we’re doing. We’re building this community of like-minded entrepreneurs of artists, innovators, people that really want to connect to the food. We’re growing the food. If you live in the community, we’ll be… all the food you could possibly imaging eating would be growing right on-site. That’s really nice to be able to connect. It’s a huge thing to be able to connect to the food that you’re growing. You can get out there and plant it yourself, go to the market everyday and pick up your basket of food, take it back to your harmonic villa, make your own dinner, or go to the chef on farm-to-table restaurant and have them prepare dinner for you. It’s just a utopia.

Joe: [19:05] Yeah! No, honestly – so we’ll link this in the show notes for all the listeners – harmonicfarms.com, you can check out a lot more of the imagery and the landscape and what’s going to be built there, and the tagline life and balance I think is extremely important, and it explains a lot. What I feel and hear from your mission, which is very clear, is like this coming back to nature, almost, and coming back to what we are at our roots. The world that we live in is so… let’s be real, like we wouldn’t be where we are without technology and everything that’s pushing the globe forward; but I think that we can lose sight of what we are at our roots if we don’t go back and connect to nature. I think that’s what I see is a kind of underlying mission there at Harmonic Farms is, let’s kind of escape, but then live in a community that is, well, IS permaculture. Can you… explain that word, because I think that explains a lot into Harmonic Farms.

Reece: [20:28] Well, so harmonic farming basically is, like I mentioned before, the best practices of permaculture which is just one of the pillars. Biodynamic farming, regenerative farming, and then wildcrafting. Permaculture is only one aspect of harmonic farming. All of them are equally important. It really matters on what works in the specific areas, so we’re working with the locals, we’re working with the indigenous people in Costa Rica that have been here for a long time; learning from them, learning what medicines they’re getting out of the jungle. Basically, permaculture is a… is basically, it’s a way, it’s one of the ways you regenerate an area. So, you can come in to a place, like a cattle pasture land, and plant these hedge rows of different types of overstory trees, understory, vines, roots, and basically, it’s kind of creating a food forest. But like I said, that’s just one aspect of what we’re doing. We have Harmonic Farms is 200 acres of beach front abutting it, national park with a turtle refuge in the middle of it, and we’re planting the whole entire property with harmonic farming practices. We’ll have all of those principles incorporated into the landscape, creating sacred geometry gardens, so it’s not just kind of this wild place. It’s like living inside of a vineyard, but not just grapes for wine, but totally diverse landscape.

Joe: [22:20] Yeah, it’s a self-contained… ecosystem, culture environment, everything. I think that that can have such a MASSIVE – like, this is like the first step, but I think that’s something, this could be like… well, exactly what you said, a GLOBAL movement of raising consciousness and moving back to what we are at our roots.

Reece: [22:54] Yeah, the thing is – we’re not going to be living… we’re going to be living – let me start over. We don’t want to give up the luxuries, or we’re not giving up the luxuries of what we’re used to. The homes are tropical, modern, beautiful luxurious, but sustainable; you know, capturing rainwater on the roof that runs into our [inaubile] water system that goes back into the home. So there’s… basically, the idea, the harmony of it is that we’re not going… we are living in harmony with nature, and also with ourselves, because nobody wants to live in a… house with no air-conditioning in the middle of a farm in 90 degree weather. We’re used to our modern luxuries, so it’s really a balance of taking the modern luxuries, the technology that we’re accustomed to and then incorporating that into this harmonic farming ecosystem. That’s really the – and it’s on the beach in front of what a lot of people consider the #1 break in all northern Costa Rica, like all in all, it’s just an amazing surf break. The whole project encompasses the beach, so it’s just shy of a mile of beach front abutting this national park with a beautiful river; I mean, the land provides everything we need as is. We’re just going to be regenerating and rejuvenating that land so that we can live in harmony with it.

Joe: [24:47] Yeah, so you briefly discussed villas. Are people – and I know the answer to this, but I’m just asking this question – are people going to be living there? Are people going to be traveling there for vacation? Are people going to be coming there for all different purposes? What is the lay of the land there?

Reece: [25:11] We’re building an entire community. One of the things that came up at our sprint was if we’re going to have a community, there has to be children, there has to be… you have to be connected; so we’re going to be building a school. We looked at the model of the Green School in Bali. My girls go to Waldorf school, which is Rudolf Steiner’s, the father that, the father of biodynamic farming, and so we’re definitely going to incorporate the Waldorf education into the school. That’s one of the aspects. To build a community truly and to really raise the global consciousness, we’re going to raise children in this environment, so it’s for the next generation really. There’s a lot of education that is the core of the whole community. As far as the villas go, it’s a hand picked -we’re basically… want to hand pick all the people that live there. It’s a beachfront community of hand-picked like-minded leaders, and entrepreneurs, artists, and innovators. If you’re interested in coming down to Costa Rica and playing in this big sand box that we’ve created, and we’re alignment, and then they’d be offered an opportunity to own a villa there.

Joe: [26:35] Yeah, it’s… the word that you touched on, incubator, I think explains a lot because… I don’t – I see through the summit community, for example, when I went to Powder Mountain – and that was the exact same thing. We… it was a gathering of like-minded, forward thinking individuals, those people that are entrepreneurs that are in the middle of operating a business; other people that are investors, angel investors, VCs, all coming together and more or less disconnecting from the outside world and becoming present with each other; and the amount of innovation that can happen in that type of an environment is really unmatched. I think that’s what I really see is the impact that you’re going to create there. So, you were discussing your trip in December in Costa Rica where you got together with a lot of like-minded individuals, and it sounds like it had an effect here. Was the whole design and vision already there before collaborating with these people? Did it take it to a new level? What was the evolution of coming together with those types of people and where was it before then?

Reece: [28:13] Yeah, about 5 years ago I was introduced this concept of harmonic farming by the two people that were the founder of Aveta Institute and Aveta company. They were one of the four leaders in the United States for bringing this Aveta way of creating products; and then this gentleman named Clint Stockwell, who is the guy that actually came up with the name Aveta. He’s a close family friend; so basically I was gifted this concept to run with. Over the last, maybe 5 years, I’ve been building, you know, creating this idea and this place. We bought the land on the beach here in Costa Rica for Harmonic Farms at the end of 2016, just beginning 2017, and basically was able to take the property… and some of the developers before had bought it. They had a very, kind of, I would say old school way of development. They wanted high-density, put as many homes on it as possible. So, when I bought the property from a hedge fund, actually, in Minneapolis, because they had taken the property back because these guys had cut down trees that they were told not to cut down because they were basically greedy and wanted to get more lots on the property. So the property was put under an environmental lawsuit, and that was back in 2009. So, I learned about the property in 2015 – 2014/2015 – and was able to, I mean, basically rescue the property from this situation and was able to work with the National Forestry Service in Costa Rica, and we have a great relationship. We planted 100s of trees in the refuge and we’re going to be planting 1000s of trees with them moving forward. So Harmonic Farms and harmonic farming has been implemented prior to the journey, but the journey kind of took it to the next level as you said. It opened my eyes to this, what I call, this term may be coming out – this co-elevation – it’s a concept; it’s a book that’s actually going to be coming out by Keith Barazzen. I might’ve butchered his last name. Barazi! He’s actually in California, a California guy; but he’s an amazing guy. He’s writing this book, it’s about co-elevation, and so his concept was – and I learned at the journey was – Harmonic Farms is this amazing thing, but really, how can this serve each of the individual people that come, and how can they serve it? So this beautiful exchange is balancing it. The goal coming out of the journey was find 3… co-leaders that have this… get the concept, get the mission, because you’re never really going to find anybody that’s 100% in alignment with what you think it is, so the idea was just to find 3 people that have… that get it, that… they’re going to bring their own special sauce – create this core mission. And then each of those people go out and find co-leaders, so you’re kind of organically growing this tribe of leaders. That’s what I’ve really implemented to the ‘T’ since the new year, this new year, just months ago, and I’ve seen this exponential – we’ve got now, instead of having the core of people we’ve had for years working on the project, which are amazing people – four – to now we have twenty-some amazing people that are dedicating their time to grow the community and all of them have special super powers they’re bringing to the project. That’s really what happened at the journey. It’s continuing.

Joe: [32:45] Do you mind diving into the journey at all? Do you mind sharing any of that and what drove you to that – what that entailed? I mean, you don’t have to.

Reece: [32:56] It was basically, they – this company, or I guess, the company that I was invited to go to this journey to pick 44 people to come, it was their called 1Heart Journeys. You can look them up; they’ve got some great videos and things like that. They basically bring what they call Heartland Beaters together. They choreograph a week of just amazingly different modalities: breath work, holistic, holotropic breathing, yoga, plant medicine. It’s a whole entire week of time you spend with these amazing other people. You create bonds like… deeper than some people you may have known your whole life. And there’s a whole entire – months of preparation, books to read, and things like that; and they’re implementing an integration plan after you come out of the retreat. It’s been a great source of connecting with people and finding people. It’s amazing.

Joe: [34:06] I think that something that I learned more and more is that there’s nothing more powerful than human connection and I think that – correct me if I’m wrong – but I think that’s probably one of the most driving, one of the biggest driving forces out of that experience was, I have these amazing ideas… and sometimes we as humans can have such amazing ideas but sometimes feel alone in them, and feel like, where’s my community, where are my people, where are the people that align with this mission, and I need insight to help tweak that. I need outside, objective opinion and different perspectives, and what that can do is extremely powerful. Is that the human connection? Looking back on that experience, was that one of the big drivers that came from it?

Reece: [35:14] Yes, that, and it was a practice of serenity – not serenity – of surrender, just like here’s this, you know, again, this sand box that I’ve created; and now, how do you get amazing people to come and collaborate. It’s kind of like surrendering it and allowing them to come in and be involved in all the things that a typical entrepreneur… is just wearing a bunch of different hats and is just used to mastermining their day and figuring out, running all these different things. But it’s like, surrendering and going okay, well, allowing these people to get involved and to get in your head and to really allow that. I’ve been learning to surrender and since doing that and having this, you know, opening my heart in this experience, it’s really allowed that; and it’s a vibration. It’s not like – you can say these things, but I feel like it truly happened internally in myself and so, it’s just all these people have been attracted without even really, I don’t feel like I’ve really done anything differently. It’s just that people are just showing up at the exact right time and fulfilling different jobs and roles, and giving ideas and feedback, things like that. Growing the community much more than I could possibly do trying to be the puppet master. So, that was the biggest thing. The biggest takeaway was the surrender, and then figuring out how I can serve each of these people.

Joe: [36:56] It seems like there’s a huge sense of relief around that. Like, it’s all okay; I don’t have to do all this on my own. This human experience is difficult and sometimes we do tend to feel very alone, even when we’re living in communities here in the U.S., in apartment complexes where there’s 500 people there within arm’s reach, but people have been more alone than ever. I see that could bring a massive sense of relief.

Reece: [37:29] Yeah, reconnecting to nature and… in a place with food, and the production of your food on a local level, it inspires elevation, healthy mind and body. It’s just one of those… one of those things that definitely – once you surrender to it and allow it to go, then it does miracles. A lot of the guys on the journey and people that are involved in the project, involved in… really successful CEOs and founders, and they got to the top and they’re these amazing companies, and they feel more alone than ever. To your point… I made it, I got the American dream, and here I am by myself at the top not really having these close friends. So now, we’re trying to promote the reconnecting to nature and to each other, so that’s why everybody is really loving this community and tribe that we’re creating and building.

Joe: [38:37] Yeah, it seems very tribal. What’s the outlook for the remainder of this year and the years to come?

Reece: [38:46] We are completing the master plan of the village we’re building. We’ve got the full approvals on our first phase of the harmonic villas, and we’re building… we’re doing the farming, we’re doing the harmonic farming. It’s really – it’s an amazing time to get involved too because we’re not – we’re very flexible and we’re looking for co-collaborators and co-elevators on the project.

Joe: [39:21] Awesome. Is there anything else that you would like to share on the back end of Harmonic Farms, or anything that we didn’t dive into that is extremely important or important to your mission there?

Reece: [39:37] I mean, there’s just so many things. Building a community with a school, we’re going to have hospitality, farm-to-table restaurant; there’s a tech center so people can work remotely at a high level, and then walk out of our tech center and be in an organic, sacred geometry garden with sculptures, then grab your surf board and catch the sunset surf, go to dinner with all these amazing people. So basically, just come down and experience it, come hang out and play in our sand box and see if it resonates with you.

Joe: [40:22] Yeah, to be honest, it sounds like a dream, man. It sounds extremely surreal, so I can’t imagine how everyday you wake up and that driving force is probably just that – I can’t imagine how big that fire is in your heart and mind because it truly does sound like heaven on earth, to be honest.

Reece: [40:44] That’s awesome. It feels good living in the pura vida lifestyle.

Joe: [40:50] Absolutely. So, if people – I talked about the website – is there a certain place besides the website to learn more about this? How can people learn more about you, connect with you, understand how they can get involved in Harmonic Farms, communicate… what’s the best way to do that?

Reece: [41:10] Probably the quickest way would be email me and we can connect. We want to keep this on a real one-on-one basis, so joseph@harmonicfarms.com is my email address. I have a Linkedin as well. We have a website: www.harmonicfarms.com. Those are probably the best ways.

Joe: [41:33] Awesome. We’ll include all of that in the show notes and I just wanted to thank you for coming on here and sharing your story and sharing your mission. I’ll have to tell you that it really lights me up from countries away, but that connection that I felt with you there in Miami and hearing even just the ground level of the story really was something truly amazing, and I felt it then and even more now, so thank you. Thank you for sharing this with us and for the listeners of the Cured Collective, and thank you for what you’re doing for this world, man. It’s really appreciated.

Reece: [42:14] Thank you, Joseph. I really, really enjoyed meeting you and spending time with you, and can’t wait to spend more time. I definitely… come on down anytime. Looking forward to building a relationship.

Joe: [42:32] Yeah, I’ll be down there soon. I’ve got a trip to Europe in June and then whenever is best after that, I’m making it down there, man.

Reece: [42:40] Awesome. Thanks a lot.

Joe: [42:43] Yeah, brother. Thank you!

Reece: [42:45] Pura vida!

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