7/15/19 | Podcast

CC 030: LOVEGROWN – Achieving Radical Vulnerability with Lo Bondi

Lo Bondi joins the Cured Collective Podcast

Lo Bondi is a relationship and women’s worthiness coach, freelance writer, and recipe developer. Struggling off and on with an eating disorder for years, her background in psychology has helped her and her clients immensely over the years to better understand and work through these traumas. Her intention; cultivate a safe space for the most unfiltered authenticity to dive deeper into our most integrated sense of self.

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Joe: [00:00] Alright Cured Collective listeners. Welcome back to another episode of the Cured Collective podcast. Thank you all for tuning in week to week. We truly appreciate you, all of us here at Cured do, and specifically myself. This has been so much fun to kind of switch back and forth between really really informational behind the scene podcasts on what Cured is, what we do, answering questions for you guys, educating the community on cannabinoids, CBD, all of our products. We’ve seen great response on that, and we’ve been seeing an amazing response at our Cured community wellness events. Today’s guest is a very special guest – to me – and will be to you guys; you’ll be able to meet her if you’re in the Denver area for the next Cured wellness event. The event is titled – what is it titled again? Hi, Lo! Lo’s here.

Lo: [01:01] Hi, babe. So, the event is titled Radical Vulnerability as the Gateway for Self-Worth.

Joe: [01:08] Yes. So, you now know that the guest for today’s episode is Lo, my fiancé. Those of you that have listened to this podcast have heard me mention her. If you are coming from the Higher Health podcast, this is her, now, return. I’ve podcast with you several times over the years and our paths have gone in and out, and now have been together for the last year has been one of the most expansive and trying and learning times of my entire life, but I’m so grateful for it and I’m excited for everything that you’re doing. It’s fun to watch, and I’m excited to share this with the Cured Collective listeners. Those of you that aren’t in the Denver area and that won’t be able to attend our event to be able to find out more about Lo and myself through our podcast that we run outside this, called LOVEGROWN podcast; and Lo’s business is LOVEGROWN, and we’ll dive into all of the details of that in this podcast. But thanks for joining me, babe.

Lo: [02:15] Thanks for having me, babe.

Joe: [02:17] Yeah, so it’s always the big question to start off the podcast is diving into who you are, what your mission is, why. So…

Lo: [02:30] Sure.

Joe: [02:31] Let’s hear it.

Lo: [02:32] Let’s. I think that you hit the nail on the head perfectly. The last year has been incredibly expansive, for us as a couple and for us individually. And I think over the last year, I’ve been able to really shed a lot of layers and find my true purpose, find my calling in life; and after lots of trials, and tribulations, and chipping away, I have started, like you said, LOVEGROWN. That is my baby right now, and it is… it’s everything to me.

Joe: [03:18] It’s been fun to watch and it’s been fun to help with, and something that I was thinking about today, as I was watching you get some work done, was the… dive that you took into graduate school, and then you describing to me what your mission looked like – and all of this has evolved since then, of course – and it’s taken a different form than you originally saw; but the mission of helping others, and touching others, and being somebody that can say “hey, I’ve been through this shit and I’m still learning every single day,” and then be able to guide people through that, that’s like the biggest prerequisite. I think that – I mean, that was a huge blocker for me in life, is like I gotta go to school, I gotta get the degree, I gotta get the corporate job; I have to have the certificate, I have to have this, that, whatever the title to do what I want; and I think that’s how a lot of us were raised. So, it’s been fun to watch that because you’re doing – you described what you want in life last year and you’re doing it now, and you also dropped out of school. For very good reasons, but you’re not in school. You’re no longer pursuing this-

Lo: [04:40] Yeah, no; and that’s something I don’t really talk about.

Joe: [04:44] No, not at all. Because there could be shame around it.

Lo: [04:49] Absolutely, and I think – you touched on the achievement trap so many of us fall into – and I was absolutely spiraling in that all throughout my life. And that is a huge reason why I decided to go to graduate school, because I knew that I wanted to… well, I wanted to do what I’m doing now, and I thought that going to graduate school and getting the degree and getting the extra letters next to name, that would give me a sense of enoughness and a sense of competence to then be successful. What I realized was while in graduate school, I had a lot of chaotic things happening in life and really started struggling and rock bottoming. I also wasn’t in love with school anymore. I wasn’t learning anything, I wasn’t getting the growth and the discovery and the experience that I was so desperately wanting. I’m a firm believer that life is the greatest teacher, that so often the wisdom that you get from the experiences, from what you live through and heal through, are more profound than what you can learn in a textbook because they’re applicable; because they allow you to empathize, they allow you to level with people.

Joe: [06:24] Yeah. Feel. You feel it. You feel it so much differently. You can understand a concept; you can understand a theory.

Lo: [06:32] Right.

Joe: [06:33] But it’s like – just like engineering for me means just like putting it into practice and it was completely different than what I even learned in school. And you go into industry and like “ok, I’m going to learn what this company does,” and it’s interesting. It’s just going to be really interesting to see how the education space continues to evolve; and I think that the work you’re doing through LOVEGROWN as a mentor and as a coach can really, I think, we’re going to see more and more of this over the years.

Lo: [07:05] I agree.

Joe: [07:07] So… you’ve had – we’re talking about… your mission… and what has that been rooted in, and what is – and I think this will kind of be a good segue to the workshop that you’re going to be leading us through at the Cured event – and understanding just that why.

Lo: [07:35] Yeah. I’ve always known that my purpose here is to serve, is to be in deep connection, intimate connection, with people, to help them heal, to offer them guidance as they start to uncover and excavate their truth. All of that started to really take shape over this past year as I relapsed; as I dealt with PTSD; as I dealt with so much shit and had to really go inside and look around. I knew that was a missing piece and that’s what I needed to do in order to find the freedom that I was searching for. I mean, when you’re at rock bottom, you have to get to the point where you’re fed up with your own bullshit and you’re willing to be incredibly uncomfortable and ask very difficult questions. And through those questions, I found that so much of my life was being lived in fear. I was living within this fear of not enoughness, and that’s something that you and I talked about a year ago, as my biggest fear; the world seeing me how I saw myself, as fundamentally flawed, as inherently unworthy of belonging and as perpetually lacking enoughness. That is the fear that created all this self-sabotaging behaviors, that created the self-destructive behaviors, that created the self-limiting beliefs, that created the people-pleasing and the perfectionism and the dismissing of my own boundaries; and the rescuing, the codependency, the love avoidance. So many different things.

Joe: [09:34] Oh, really.

Lo: [09:35] Oh, really!

Joe: [09:38] Yeah, you did.

Lo: [09:40] I did! I avoided you. HARD. And it was all rooted in that not enoughness. That sinking feeling, that paralyzing fear.

Joe: [09:54] I think something that just stood out to me is the understanding of what some of those words mean. We hear people pleasing – “oh, you’re just a people pleaser” – but… I’ve heard that my entire life. I guess I haven’t necessarily known how much of a people pleaser I was, but I know that I’ve done it, and I could recognize it in somebody else. “Oh, they’re just doing that to please somebody.” But what that actually means and how much it actually affects you, and how much it drives every decision… how much is drives decisions that you make on a day-to-day basis – AND – abandoning yourself.

Lo: [10:39] Yes! That’s the key. And that’s the key that everyone misses. Right? People pleasing sounds nice. “Oh, they’re just so nice. They’ll just do anything for anyone. They’re just a people pleaser.” And no, it’s not nice. It’s not. It’s not kind at all. People pleasing is rooted in low self-worth. It’s rooted in fear of belonging. It’s rooted in fear of rejection. And it leads one to dismiss and disown their own needs, their own opinions, their own wants, and to assume those of others. Abandoning yourself, rejecting yourself, essentially doing to yourself the same thing that you’re so afraid of experiencing from the hands of another person.

Joe: [11:21] Hmm, yeah. That’s true.

Lo: [11:23] It’s true.

Joe: [11:24] Yeah. So we’re focusing on people pleasing, but that was the whole thing is there’s like these words – shame, and people pleasing, and, I mean, codependency really. I really didn’t understand what that meant until we dove into it and I uncovered my own codependent tendencies, how that’s been an aspect of my entire life. In part of that is the people pleasing and outside of that is control; I mean, those are kind of one and the same, but these words that I’ve heard my entire life, I just didn’t really know what they actually… what they drove in my life. And I think that when you can – it’s easy to make things really, really complicated, but… when we simplify this and try and take a step back and look at relationships, and look at how people show up for each other and show up for themselves and how they come together and move apart… it’s really like, you’ve helped me really simplify a lot of that in my head. Which brings a sense of… peace, because relationships can be tough – intimate, familial, whatever they are – relationships can be really, really tough, and if you can understand your tendencies, and understand your partner’s tendencies, and then love each other in that, you can come together a lot stronger and keep those times where you are in conflict or whatever, you’re not going to completely… those aren’t going to go away.

Lo: [13:09] Right. I mean, a healthy relationship has healthy conflict. There’s no relationship that’s without conflict. That just doesn’t exist. But it’s learning how to approach conflict and how to repair conflict. Right? So, these relationships always come into rupture and repair seasons; and so, if a conflict is a rupture – it could be small, it could be big – there then is a repair opportunity, and that’s where a couple can come back together and use that as an opportunity to grow stronger, to grow more connected, to understand each other on a more intimate level, to better understand each other’s triggers and their why and what feels like it’s poking a finger in an old attachment wound.

Joe: [14:05] Yeah. I mean, I was actually going to go to attachments myself. Because for me – and the trap that we fell into was the anxious-avoidant trap; I am anxious, you are avoidant. We’re both moving towards secure, and-

Lo: [14:22] And what’s difficult is I’m anxious-avoidant, which means I’m not even just avoidant, which makes it more confusing for you – or I was not -because as an anxious-avoidant-

Joe: [14:34] Yeah, that was really confusing!

Lo: [14:35] So, really quickly, for everyone listening, the four different attachment styles are secure, and everyone can move into secure; about 40% of the population has a secure attachment base; and everyone has the chance to do the work to then shift into earned security. Then there’s pre-occupied anxious, which you used to identify with; and there’s avoidant – and there’s strictly dismissive-avoidant and there’s also anxious-avoidant; so two subtypes. And then there’s disorganized. I fall into the anxious or fearful-avoidant, which means that what I used to do, and what you often felt, was this push-pull. It was a constant push-pull. I wanted to be in connection, but if too much was too much, I went MIA.

Joe: [15:31] Oh, you ran.

Lo: [15:32] I ran.

Joe: [15:33] I’m a runner.

Lo: [15:34] I told you that. I warned you!

Joe: [15:37] You did. What that meant, I did not know.

Lo: [15:41] Surprise!

Joe: [15:42] But understanding all of that and understanding what that means, and especially that trap, something I was thinking about was, even when we get into conflict now, I still have those anxious tendencies. But there was one point, it was like a couple months ago now, where I was like, you know what, I’m just going to go upstairs and write and kind of journal what we’re going through, and I was able to identify this cycle we were going through. For me, as having that anxious attachment style, I don’t want to leave the argument in the kitchen because if I leave that, I think you’re going to be gone, so I need to be… that’s like, at the base, that’s what happens.

Lo: [16:24] Absolutely.

Joe: [16:25] So, if I go upstairs and you’re out of sight, what’s going to happen to me? But understanding like moving into that security and understanding that – it’s funny, because your attachment style is on the polar opposite of that. In that same situation, you would’ve ran away, and I would’ve been chasing after you trying to pull you in. That’s what the anxious-avoidant trap is.

Lo: [16:49] It’s that vulnerability cycle. When two people are, like you said, on opposite sides of the spectrum, and everything that you’re doing as an anxious pre-occupied attachment to stay in connection is triggering me, and it’s activating my own attachment wounds and my danger zone behaviors; but then, if I act on those, then it triggers your own. So, then you’re caught in a trap where we’re each acting out because we’re in our attachment danger zones. And what you’re doing is pushing me further away; what I’m doing is absolutely paralyzing you; and you just get stuck in this is disgusting, painful, confusing trap.

Joe: [17:45] Yeah, and I think where my mind went with that was the word pattern and how we all fall into patterns in our life. I mean, not all, but most people fall into the same pattern and stay stuck in that pattern their entire life. What I wanted to touch on was being able to recognize that and how much, like how much growth and healing and understanding you can do when you just sit back and you can recognize; and it might be really painful; it might be like fuck, or like shit, I actually knew that I was doing that but I couldn’t get out of it. And what it really takes is a lot of work and a lot of looking inward, and that was what really just sparked this tangent of the last however many minutes. But that’s what you were saying, is that you just really started looking in, back in the fall when you had a relapse, and what I watched was a lot of work, and I saw a massive amount of relief and freedom on the other side of that. And I’ve been really diving into the same, and it’s been, for me, like, over the last two and a half years, since starting Cured, and really giving myself permission to do things and giving myself the ability to just really work on myself and understand who I am is… it’s a process. It’s a long process, and you’re going to have setbacks, and you’re going to have really difficult and uncomfortable times, but you have to know that through support with people like yourself as a coach, or a mentor-

Lo: [19:37] Or a partner.

Joe: [19:38] -Or a partner is what I was going to say. A partner that is really able to hold whatever it is that you are and are going through and say, “hey, I still love you the same, and I actually love you even more because you are looking at it and you’re not,” and the word I am thinking about is projecting it.

Lo: [20:00] Yes, 100%.

Joe: [20:01] You know, you’re not projecting it on to somebody else because… that’s something that I do. We like to project and externalize our internal problems because that keeps you safe. You’re like, that’s not me.

Lo: [20:15] It hurts to own your shit. And sometimes there’s some shame there.

Joe: [20:22] Absolutely.

Lo: [20:23] And so, then it’s not only having to look at yourself and look at your shit, but also trudging through the shame of your shit. And… it sucks. There’s no other way to say it. But, it’s also what sets you free; because if you can go back and you can identify the patterns, and then you can start to understand the patterns, understand where they came from and how they function, and start to shift from shame towards compassion, that is what allows you to then step in to more this place of security. One thing that you touched on that I want to really highlight: this process is ongoing, whether or not it’s with relationships like we’re talking about or with just self-growth, with struggling, with looking at ourselves, with going inside, it’s ongoing for every single person. No one is ever done. No one ever has all of the answers. No one ever stops struggling. And that’s so important.

Joe: [21:34] Yeah, it’s tough to hold that. You’re like, oh, I just want to not feel like this. But what is in that is, you’re not always going to feel like this. You’re going to be continuing to work; you’re going to have continuous and more expansive understanding and deeper knowing; and you might have the same like – pain is pain, regardless of whatever pain you’re feeling – but getting yourself back to feeling and being able to operate better.

Lo: [22:17] And feeling joy and feeling peace. I mean, all of that comes. I think if we had to sum it down, it’s… we’re always growing, and sometimes there are growing pains. Not always; sometimes growth is just exciting, it’s just a thrill. And there’s inner peace because suddenly there’s congruity between your inner world and your outer world, or your exploring new things. Sometimes it’s playful. And sometimes there are some growing pains.

Joe: [22:48] Yeah. I want to dive into the workshop, and I’m not sure – I might be putting you on the spot here because I’m not sure how much of it you’ve really planned out – but this is just a part of your mission and what you do as a coach; so, I know that this will flow. Talking about worthiness and what that means and how that shows up in peoples’ lives.

Lo: [23:12] Right, and everything that we’ve been talking about this far can be related back to self-worth. Whether or not somebody is sitting in high self-worth, in low self-worth, in stable self-worth, in wavering self-worth; and what I am currently doing with clients is really focused on trudging through the wounds and identifying the pain bodies and understanding how they’re creating fear.

Joe: [23:47] What do you mean by pain bodies?

Lo: [23:49] Pain bodies as in… traumas, as in attachment wounds, as in core beliefs that you have growing up that keep you small, as in your inner critic that comes online at the age of 5 and then you’re forced to live with for the rest of your life. All of these different things that create blocks in the body, blocks with your energy, and blocks within your own mind in terms of being able to really step into your truth, to step into your power, to own your voice, to own your authenticity. And to know that you are worthy of everything in this life, to know that you are worthy of unconditional love and belonging, to know that you are worthy of feeling at home within yourself. What is the main prerequisite of that, of being able to do that work of being able to go inside, of being able to heal those wounds and start to understand your own deservingness of all of the good things in your life that you’re craving or wanting to call in, it’s being able to practice radical vulnerability – with yourself, with the people in your life – it’s being able to look at the hard things like we’ve been talking about, to speak to them, to feel them fully without censorship, without dismissing them, without putting them in a corner, to be able to dialogue with them and hear their stories and understand their why; and then, to start to shift and realize that even in it all, and because of it all, you’re crazy worthy.

Joe: [25:38] I think it’s so… it’s amazing how much, even in our lives – and to be radically vulnerable with the listeners of this – how many times there are, how often we feel like, “oh, I just don’t know if I should do that or say that.” But that’s in the same thing – do we deserve that? Are we worthy? And it’s this constant reminder of you are this human, this meat suit, having a human experience; and this is your experience, and you’re worthy of feeling it all, all of the emotions of being a human being; and the celebratory ones, and the joy, and the bliss, and the fulfillment, and how we all deserve that, and how sometimes how hard it seems to give that to ourselves and what are the small decisions to make every single day that are driven by knowing that you are worthy.

Lo: [26:52] Right, absolutely. That’s something that I ask clients to really start to identify and play with after a couple of weeks, months of working together and able to really understand where they are and start to work through the shame binds; but then getting to this place of life is just a big experiment. We are light beings, we are souls. We are spiritual. We are crazy, crazy, crazy enough. It’s true!

Joe: [27:33] We are crazy. I’m pretty crazy.

Lo: [27:36] Crazy, and insane, and enough. So, I ask them to grab a piece of paper, grab a pen, and at the top of the page, write down – if I was good enough, I would… – and follow it with a list of 10 things. Ten things that you haven’t done, you haven’t given yourself, or you haven’t tried because you don’t think you’re worthy. Ten things that you have dreamt of, that you wish you could do that you have a little downloader ping that you need to follow it, but you’re scared of actually stepping into it because what if you fail? Because what if you’re not enough? What if you’re too much? What if you’ll be rejected? What if someone is going to leave you? What if X, Y, or Z? And look at those 10 things and then start to change it. Pick one thing on the list to do. Pick just one thing and say, “Ok, if I knew that I was good enough as I am right now, then I would…” I don’t know, what’s something? What’s something you would do?

Joe: [28:52] Quit a job.

Lo: [28:53] Quit a job. Yeah!

Joe: [28:55] That was what started Cured.

Lo: [28:56] Absolutely. That’s the most perfect example because you left aerospace with a couple packets of seasoning and a dream. And you knew what you would do. You knew your power, and you had to believe in your worthiness enough to show up for that dream.

Joe: [29:24] Yeah. And it was titled a little bit differently, but what underlies that permission that I had to give myself was knowing that I was worthy.

Lo: [29:34] Yeah. That you were worthy of taking the risk, of trying something new, of being insanely successful but also being allowed to fail. That’s another big thing that I don’t think we really permit ourselves to do, is fail; to suck at things; to try things and discover, oh, I didn’t actually like it as much as I thought I would; or wow, I need to practice this, I’m not too great; or “Oh! I’m okay. I’m okay with being okay. I don’t need to perfect this; it’s enough and it’s enjoyable.” But where’s that space to be curious, to experiment, to play? And are you giving it to yourself? And if you’re not, why?

Joe: [30:23] I like… I like the likes thing. I can’t remember where we were, but we were walking down the street and was like, “do you like that or do you like this,” and it’s really funny because once you start playing that game, and even watching you – you could say play that game – start to ask those questions, you start to think about a lot of your life and how much of your life decisions were built off of maybe an influence and maybe not even an understanding if you actually liked something or if you didn’t like something, and if you were influenced to.

Lo: [30:58] Right. Are you just people pleasing? Were you told that you liked something?

Joe: [31:03] Do I like that? I don’t know. I don’t know who I am. I don’t know what I like.

Lo: [31:07] That’s another incredible activity that I do, is keep a running list of likes and dislikes throughout the day. So many of us are really struggling to home in on who we are. It’s such a hard question to ask and it’s ever-changing, but being able to foster a sense of self-discovery can be as simple as grabbing your phone and whipping out the notes section, and as you’re going through a day and you’re doing things and you realize oh, I really like this, I’m feeling filled up and expansive, write it down. “Oh, I hate this. I’m noting myself withdrawing, I feel depleted. I’m getting a headache.” Write it down. And then evaluate what can you add more of and where and where you can take away.

Joe: [31:53] Yeah, and that’s something that can be so overcomplicated, but it’s really simple.

Lo: [31:57] It’s so simple! In that list, of just really simple, mindless notes, you start to discover this is my truth. This is authentically me, and this is where I’m not as in alignment.

Joe: [32:13] I’m super excited for this event that we are going to be throwing, putting on on July 25th in Denver, Colorado. So all of you listeners, I know there’s a pretty massive listener base in Denver, Colorado, so I hope to see more and more of you there. I asked a question at one of our first wellness events, and I only saw a couple hands raise as far as who listens to the podcast. More of you listeners need to show up there. It’s going to be in combination with somebody else that we have actually had on this podcast, Aubrey Wiltcher. On Instagram, her name is AubreyMarie, but she’s actually going to be working in combination with Lo to lead this workshop. What she’s going to be bringing to the table is a breath work practice. Being able to loop this in with the breath work practice and really, really, really dive inside is an experience that I’ve watched you coach a group of people through before in Southern California, and it was amazing because the way that those two play hand in hand and allow you to just open up is incredible. For those that are on the fence, you gotta come, but here’s kind of the layout of what we’re going to be doing at this next event.

Lo: [33:35] I’m so excited for it. I’m so, so, so stoked for it. But it will look like – Aubrey and I welcoming everyone in and just starting the discussion on radical vulnerability, on talking about the why, on the impact of it, the importance of it, and just starting to break it down in a way that really helps elucidate the connection to worthiness, and allows people to apply it to their own lives. And we’ll do that with different storytelling, with education, and then we’re going to move more into that workshop phase. Aubrey and I will be breaking people up into groups and going around and talking with everyone, sitting with everyone, really getting to know everyone in that safe, sacred space, and leading them through different activities to help foster a sense of connection with whomever they’re sitting with and connection with themselves. Once they’ve gone through those tasks, which are all laid out, but I don’t want to say them here because I’d love for them to be a surprise. But once individuals and groups and pods complete those and are able to find a sense of safety within the community, Aubrey will then lead them through a breath work practice, and then the two of us will lead everyone through several different somatic experiencing exercises, which I also want to be a surprise. Then we’ll finish off with closing and talking about everything, integrating it, more storytelling, and some really yummy elixirs-

Joe: [35:31] All CBD based, of course. What would we be doing if it wasn’t a Cured event?

Lo: [35:35] Of course!

Joe: [35:36] So, if you have not bought tickets yet and you’re listening to this podcast, head over to the Cured Nutrition Instagram. There’s a button that says get tickets on it. Tickets right now are $25; again, July 25th in the evening. The official hours are up on that event notice, but in the evening of Thursday, is it? July 25th.

Lo: [35:59] Thursday.

Joe: [36:00] We hope to see you there, so that’s kind of the workshop. Super excited about that. But you dove into a little bit. For those of the listeners that aren’t in Denver, Colorado and are listening to this podcast and want to understand more about everything that we just dove into, and the coaching and the mentorship practice, how can people find out more about that? Where should they go, how can they follow you and learn more about you, and be able to experience all of this amazing work from outside of Denver, Colorado?

Lo: [36:35] Yeah, so… essentially the workshop will be helping individuals identify this roadmap to their own worthiness, to an up-level sense of self-worth. That is what I’m doing with the Wired for Worthiness program that I’m launching, and that is something that is available to anyone anywhere.

Joe: [37:00] When are you launching that?

Lo: [37:02] That starts August 1st. It is a small group, very intimate coaching. All of the details are listed on website at www.lovegrown.me. Essentially, it’s a 12 week experience where myself and a group of really powerful women will be diving into this work to really allow them to break free from the traps and the binds that they feel stuck in, and start to embody more of the light and the love, the power that they know they’re supposed to be harnessing. So, that’s available. I’m so, so, so excited and ready to start that. Again, August 1st. The rest of my mentoring, the rest of my writing, the blogging, the recipes, all of that’s also on my website, and then my Instagram is just @nourishedwithlo.

Joe: [38:09] I think we’re missing one thing. We also talked about it-

Lo: [38:12] OH! We have a podcast!

Joe: [38:14] Yes. The LOVEGROWN podcast. For those of you that enjoy these topic based podcasts, in more of the psychology world, per se, we do a lot of this on the LOVEGROWN podcast. That’s where we will be shifting more and more of these type of conversations. It’s an awesome dynamic between myself and Lo and our guests every other week, but then podcasts just like this, you and me, every other week outside of those guest podcasts where we just dive in and we talk about our relationship, and we talk about stuff we like to do, and just this interesting world that we live in as entrepreneurs, as partners, as human beings trying to just figure it out. It’s been a fun ride alongside you.

Lo: [39:08] It’s so fun and… I mean, yeah, I have nothing else to add. You hit everything. Episodes are every Tuesday, and if you’re there, then you know that all we’re doing is creating a community and a place for people to expand, to come home to themselves, to create better relationships with their own higher selves, and their loved ones, and their world, and just feel more seen and heard and validated, and the human experience.

Joe: [39:46] Yeah. So, if you all enjoyed this podcast, you will absolutely love the LOVEGROWN podcast, and just want to thank you all for tuning in to yet another episode of the Cured Collective podcast. Lo, thank you so much. For more of Lo, go all those places that she just listed out, and if you’re in Denver, Colorado, we would love to see you at the next Cured event, again, July 25th in Denver, Colorado, at Skylight Event Center. You can get tickets at the Cured Nutrition Instagram, there’s a get tickets button, and we hope to see you all there.

Lo: [40:25] Thanks, friends!

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